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Can we get the ability to bus the output of an FX track back into it's input? For feedback delays (dub reggae style).

+44 votes
asked Oct 11, 2017 in Studio One Feature Requests by gregfries (430 points)

Hey there,

A common feature in other DAWs is the ability to route the output of an FX channel, down a send, and back into the FX channel itself. You can do this in Ableton Live and Propellerhead's Reason (video examples below).

The purpose of doing this is to create a pleasant feedback delay that you can automate. This is a tremendously important technique in the dub reggae genre of music.

To describe what I'm talking about further, let's say you have the following scenario. There is an audio track with a keyboard part on it. Additionally, there is an FX track with a delay plug-in on it. Next, as typically, one would bus the audio track to the FX track to hear the delay on the keyboard.

Now here is the "unusual" part, and the feature I'm asking for:

The next step in the scenario is to then route the output of the FX track BACK into the FX track's input.

You can then ride/automate the fader on this rerouted signal to get very, very pleasant results. Here are video examples of it being done in Ableton and Reason:

Example in Ableton Live (skip to 4:14 to see what I'm talking about):

Here is an example of the same technique done in Propellerhead's Reason:

Please let me know if this feature request needs further elaboration. Thank you for your support, and for continuing work on the great product that is Studio One.

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answered Nov 27, 2017 by Skip Jones (166,630 points)
selected May 22, 2018 by AlexTinsley
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answered Feb 4, 2020 by jasonmika (300 points)
Thanks for confirming this as I was getting frustrated and struggling trying to create the dub style routings I had on my analog desk feeding back through compressors and limiters to saturate the delays and ride the feedback levels.

This is disappointing to not have the ability to route a ch back into itself .

I would also like to see this limitation removed and the ability to patch a feedback loop.
+3 votes
answered Apr 4, 2021 by slacknote (530 points)
I really, really want this. It's the most important thing for dub. Presonus, pretty please? I'll never look at any other DAW if you implement this, never, ever.
+2 votes
answered Apr 16, 2021 by jasperwolter (320 points)
Ever since having worked with a analog mixer I want to have this kind of feature.

And I think it would fit greatly with Studio Ones analog approach to the mixer (I'm thinking of the 'Mix Effect' which emulate analog cross-talk). In my opinion it would only make sense to allow feedback loop routing.

Adding to that the FX sends should be able to send to other sends (currently I repurpose bus channels for that). Coming from a dub techno background I really miss this stuff to make complex delay chains
+3 votes
answered Oct 18, 2021 by kevingleeson (220 points)
I agree 100%.
It's not possible as far as I can see to keep delays on an fx chanel and in real time bring in out the delay feedback through a fader. You should also be able to mute a bus and kep the trails of the delay playing. It is possible maybe through automation but that defeats the purpose of dub reggae.
Live mixing is the way it's done treating echo, reverb and any other insert effects to capture your performance.

Most other daw's are able to do this kind of routing. I'm trying to understand a reason not to have this in studio one.
Is it to stop people blowing their monitors?
If so maybe have it as an advanced setting to enable it.
I really like studio one but this is kind of a deal breaker for me as I primarily record reggae with dub versions.

I understand dub is a niche genre but this kind of routing is standard for the vast majority of Daws and i can't wrap my head around the advantage of disabling this feature.

Sorry for the rant and well done if you got this far :)
+2 votes
answered Feb 5, 2022 by andreasgebauer (190 points)
Yes, I really want this as well.  I love Studio One but this is kind of a deal breaker for me as I'm looking to do some dub effects.
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answered Aug 29, 2023 by developer3 (250 points)
I'd love that as well. Every other daw is capable of doing it please Presonus make it possible to route to anywhere we want.