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S1v4: More Complete Import Song Data Options

+174 votes
asked May 28, 2018 in Mixing by benreaves (11,240 points)

With S1v4, the Import Song Data feature was implemented. However, I don't think the feature is complete.

For instance, when you select a Song to import from, you cannot import bus or FX channels with no automation lanes. I've tested this. As long as there are no events or automation envelopes on a track, you are not given the option to import it.

Why is that a problem? Well, let's say I have Superior Drummer set up in multi-out to give me control of individual mics, and I have groups of mics bussed to subgroups for kick, snare, etc., and I have all the channels running to a drums subgroup with processing on it. I want to import just the bus channels I used as subgroups. Well, they don't have automation envelopes, and because they're bus channels, I can't put events on their respective tracks. So I can't import them without importing the instrument.

Or, what if I want to import pieces of my template at a time, so I pull in my DRUMS layout, then my KEYS, then FX, and so on. That's not possible if there are no events or envelopes on those tracks. In the case of FX, you really can't import them without first adding automation envelopes.

To make matters worse, you cannot import from Song templates. Why in the world is that the case? The first thing I tried to do with the S1v4 demo was import from a template. Why would I want to do that? Well, let's say I've already started on a song, or I've begun working on a project, and I need to bring in additional processing after recording the drums. Or, I've laid out the tracks as recorded and I want to bring in my FX "rack." I'd look for my template and import just the pieces I need.

So, I know it's not a bug, but there's really huge limitations on Import Song Data as it compares to Pro Tools' Import Session Data. If Studio One wants to be the next big professional-level player, I think it should incorporate as much of a professional toolset as possible. Hopefully others agree with me.

22 Answers

+5 votes
answered May 29, 2018 by ianmartin5 (560 points)
Totally agree. It promises much, but delivers little.
+4 votes
answered May 29, 2018 by nudibranche (240 points)
Yes the filters on import is not complete. I'm a PT user from a long time and I happy the S1 add this feature in V4.

The automation point on send is always on in PT so you have create them from the start when you build up your song.

For me what I missing in both daw is to have a selected track filter so that you select a few track the open import and have only those tracks as 1st choice to import, it can be a group of track for ex.
+17 votes
answered May 29, 2018 by MetalForge (1,960 points)
We would love to have the ability to Import: inserts, sends, routing, panning and output to an existing track!!!!! So if I’m working on an album with the same drum set/mic setup, I can copy over everything onto the recorded audio files in every song rather than import new tracks and needing to drag the files over to the imported tracks.
+6 votes
answered May 30, 2018 by neiljordan1 (18,300 points)
Fully on board. Being able to import FX channels is massive for me! I agree with all of these suggestions though.
+14 votes
answered May 30, 2018 by Trucky (7,330 points)

I would also like to see an option box (see below) to select "All" tracks:

+7 votes
answered May 31, 2018 by AlexTinsley (924,290 points)

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+3 votes
answered Jul 17, 2018 by risotto (2,230 points)
I'm absolutely with you on that topic. I was so happy when I saw this feature but I can't use it as it is now. Normally I work a lot with busses and most of the tracks are at 0. So importing only the tracks is useless for me.
+4 votes
answered Dec 8, 2018 by benreaves (11,240 points)

Following up. I'm now on version 4.1, and the issue I laid out above still hasn't been fixed. You can import from templates, but the content you can import is the same: still useless to many professionals.

Also worth noting! I've noticed that you cannot import track data from scratch pads! Why on earth is that the case? Why not make the scratch pads the most useful thing during pre-production? Currently, if I have a cool part I've written in another song's file, I cannot import it into a new Song, because it does not appear in the Import Song Data dialog. The track does; the data does not. It will only import from the main timeline. Why is that a problem? Because the main point to Scratch Pads is the ability to write unrelated parts without having to fit it somewhere in the main timeline. If I start writing a completely new song in a scratch pad when inspiration strikes and I want to expand it into its own Song, I don't want to have to re-create the scratch pad from original files. I want all audio layers and instrument parts exactly as I recorded inside the scratch pad. Otherwise, I have to use the old, v3.5.6 and older method of "Show Package Contents" in the browser to fish out the events and place them in the new song, after promptly deleting all events and files Import Song Data dumped into the new Song.

There really is a long way to go on this feature still.

+3 votes
answered Jan 21, 2019 by powerkor (450 points)
To add onto this, you cannot import busses that are on instrument aux channels. When I use midi drums, and group the auxes to a buss, there is no way to import this buss because its not 'a track' fix this!!!
+4 votes
answered Feb 14, 2019 by andreacalvanico (320 points)
I'm sorry to say it, but that's exactly the reason why I still have Pro Tools and not updated Studio One from version 3 to 4. It would be quite frustrating work on a CD project without the options avaiable on Import Session Data in Pro Tools. Expecially I miss the possibility to import properties from one track to another track of another song also if it has a different name.

That's a pity because when that would be fixed I would have no other problems to switch completely DAW.
+4 votes
answered Mar 21, 2019 by tennitustennitus (1,580 points)
edited Mar 21, 2019 by tennitustennitus

Totally on board with a more comprehensive song data import that would include:
Master Fader and (Plugins)
Match current tracks

Please! Thank you!

+3 votes
answered Jul 14, 2019 by brycezabric (230 points)
I'm with this 100%!

When mixing an album and trying to stay consistent with plugins, etc. from song to song, PT made this super easy by selecting the track (and what you wanted in it) and "dropping" it on top of a track in the current session. I'd also like to be able to bring FX, Busses and Master inserts in from session to session too.

I know S1 lets you save presets and sub folders for tracks, but I don't want to save that many presets since that builds up over time with having to have them for every new project. I like importing session data from the song I just mixed (or recorded), so I know it's the same and I don't have a bunch of wasted space for presets.

This is the BIGGEST issue I personally have with S1 (ex PT user for 16 years and I don't ever want to go back). If we could get a little more in depth with importing song data (close to the way PT does it), I'd be sooo happy!
+3 votes
answered Aug 26, 2019 by chrisbottoms1 (260 points)
edited Aug 26, 2019 by chrisbottoms1
So... Until Presonus adds the ability to do this... Here is a work around. (It's a little bit of a pain, but works great!)

The problem is that importing song data only recognizes what is in the Edit window.

Option 1: If you have all of your busses, FX, and any other preset material prepped, right click on the fader in the mix window. Select the option to create an automation track. A track representing your bus, or whatever, is now in the edit window.

Option 2: Before you begin your template, go to Preferences/Advanced/Automation, and check the box for "Automatically create automation tracks for channels." When you create busses, FX, and VCA's, it will now automatically create a track in the edit window.

Now... Save your new template. Your elements of your template can now be imported into your existing project via the import song data option.

Another bonus to this, is that if you also open the info pane in the edit window, you have access to your fader, effects, and sends for any selected channel. You can now mix from the edit window like in ProTools. You will have to do VCA assignments in the mix window still though.
+2 votes
answered Oct 23, 2019 by Jaygo (400 points)
I've just come to use this, and much to my disappointment realised I can’t import my Bus configuration from my template.

Come On Presonus… you’re better than this!
+2 votes
answered Nov 19, 2019 by Scardanelli (3,120 points)
Unless I'm missing something, there is little point in having the option to import full tracks with regions/audio etc unless they can be imported into the timeline at the cursor or chosen bar / timecode. Large compilation project, bringing in several songs from different sessions. All the imported regions are right at the start of the session. And as the sessions are at different tempos, I need to manually move them down the timeline after import, to an area I've already put a tempo change to suit. Not ideal in a big project with lots of tempo changes.
+5 votes
answered Jan 2, 2020 by alextilson (270 points)

Strongly agree.

TL;DR what would make this complete for me is:

  • "Select all tracks" option in import song data dialog
  • Ability to map imported tracks to existing tracks

My use case is surely very common: I need to import session data and map the imported mixer channel settings to existing tracks in the current project.

For example I have three different songs recorded with the same band. I make a bunch of mix updates on one of the three songs. I want to easily import the updated mixer channel settings to the other 2 songs, without needing to drag or copy the audio onto different tracks.

My mix engineer friend used to do this in PT all the time when I recorded with him.

Some more color to this: I just moved to S1v4.5 from Reason. I figured any proper audio-focused DAW (unlike Reason with its major focus on synths and programming) would have this. I even saw that S1 had a feature called "Import Song Data" and assumed this was it. It was a disappointment to find out the feature doesn't meet my needs.

+3 votes
answered Jan 22, 2020 by shanepayne1 (3,770 points)
YES! Like "Match tracks" so you can import session settings and add the inserts, sends, processing etc... to a track in the current session with the same name....but also the other way too, So you can import audio to a track that already exists in your template with the same name (That way you can speed up the import and organization).
+3 votes
answered May 11, 2020 by gregh (890 points)
would love more options - for example routing is not imported which is a huge limitation

I have the following setup I want to store in a song that I would use for templates
inst track 1 Riffer
inst track 2 Obelisk which has as input Riffer
inst track 3 Kontakt which has as input Obelisk

and all of those packed in a folder

that plays a treat - just what I want.

But when I save this as a song or as a songtemplate and then use "Import Song Data" the tracks come in fine, within the folder, but the routing between the tracks is missing.

Which reduces the functionality enormously
+2 votes
answered Jul 19, 2020 by benreaves (11,240 points)
edited Jul 19, 2020 by benreaves

Some of the new features in Studio One v5.0 include channel state copy/paste, which is an interesting feature whose functionality seems linked to some of the things we've been asking for in this thread, but as far as I can tell, none of this thread has been addressed.

There are so many real scenarios detailed below on why this feature needs to be re-thought, and it goes down to the most basic things regarding what someone may actually do with the software. The current implementation of Import Song Data shows users that PreSonus isn't really giving thought to how real people actually use the software. It's a half-measure.

At this point, I don't even bother with Import Song Data, because it doesn't do anything useful for me, and I continue to copy channel inserts from other Song files through showing their contents in the browser. There's still enough things I like about Studio One to keep me using it, but I'm sure for many many others, lack of attention to detail like this is going to drive them away or keep them in Pro Tools or Cubase.

PreSonus needs to start listening to actual professionals.

+1 vote
answered Jun 29, 2021 by manncass (560 points)

Please 1000 times.

-Import inputs/outputs/busses/routing is a must for professional work.

-Import song data from templates.

-Drag and drop leaves a lot of data out, not an option.

0 votes
answered Jun 28, 2022 by (630 points)
it would be really fantastic to be able to import the data with an offset, for example, before importing the data move the playhead to bar 50 and when importing the data to make sure that in the timeline the events are not imported from bar 0 but from the playhead tempo!
0 votes
answered Sep 1 by AidanMillar-Powell (460 points)
Agreed. Also, we shouldn't be required to hit "event" when importing Markers. That is very very bad UX design. If I select "Markers" then the "Events" checkbox should automatically fill.